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Mine is appearing quite a bit these days, oddly though sometimes in a different form/body, same voice though Everytime

i've seen Felicja in my dreams only three times

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i was looking for her in two of them (so she wasn't actually there)

I swear I lost count for myself

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But I started writing down my dreams round September too

cool!

Good morning! How is everyone today? :P

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Mine is appearing quite a bit these days, oddly though sometimes in a different form/body, same voice though Everytime

I started lucid dreaming to do that intentionally.

System of a Bard

Good morning! How is everyone today? :P

Rune system is doing alright. Kinda sleepy.

Bright system is up and active! We're cleaning house, trying to create an environment that makes all of us happier. The mess in here is stifling. :/

System of a Bard

Good morning! How is everyone today? :P

We started Wonderlanding recently, suprisingly its much simpler than i thought xD we've created our "WL Room" together as detailed as it is possible. And, we even had some "fun time Cursed_Emoji

" there (it was our first time both Wonderlanding like that and doing THIS. (seriously)

Ooh, you'll have to tell us about your wonderland! I don't really have one yet. And I'm honestly not sure if that's something I need? I kinda like living out here, where the people are. And I don't really have a form to explore a wonderland in. But I'd still love to hear about your experience!

System of a Bard

Bright system is up and active! We're cleaning house, trying to create an environment that makes all of us happier. The mess in here is stifling. :/

I agree - having a clean house and/or room is VERY important for both your and your tulpa's well-being... Unless they're pigs or something lol (edited)

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I agree - having a clean house and/or room is VERY important for both your and your tulpa's well-being... Unless they're pigs or something lol (edited)

Oh, my host is definitely a pig, in a couple of different ways. But the one way is a way I'm trying to help him deal with, and the other is more of a positive sense that he's trying to reclaim? He's a furry, it's weird. :P

does being a bit overweight counts as being a pig? Haha.wav

System of a Bard

Ooh, you'll have to tell us about your wonderland! I don't really have one yet. And I'm honestly not sure if that's something I need? I kinda like living out here, where the people are. And I don't really have a form to explore a wonderland in. But I'd still love to hear about your experience!

~~about Wonderlanding, or happily fucking each other for the first time?~~

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Well

System of a Bard

Oh, my host is definitely a pig, in a couple of different ways. But the one way is a way I'm trying to help him deal with, and the other is more of a positive sense that he's trying to reclaim? He's a furry, it's weird. :P

a pig furry?

I used to use Wonderlanding and Imposition a lot when i was a kid

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~~about Wonderlanding, or happily fucking each other for the first time?~~

oversharing alert

So, it was a lot easier for me because my brain meats already know how it feels like

proxi

oversharing alert

Oopsie! XD

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Hey, it's good to hear they are getting along xD

proxi

a pig furry?

Yeah, my host sees himself as a pig! In the furry-sona sense. But he's warring with the connotation attached to that. There's all the negative sides, like being messy and lazy and kinda unhygienic, but I'm helping him get over all of those things, so he's hoping to reclaim a more positive association with it.

Pigs are cute

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And can help people

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As the Police Sniffing Dogs (Dunno the official name)

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Or in finding truffles

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And some of them are simply pets

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Hey, it's good to hear they are getting along xD

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System of a Bard

Ooh, you'll have to tell us about your wonderland! I don't really have one yet. And I'm honestly not sure if that's something I need? I kinda like living out here, where the people are. And I don't really have a form to explore a wonderland in. But I'd still love to hear about your experience!

Ummmm

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@Deleted User, you know what I'm referring to, lol (edited)

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Lol

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It's connected to accepting yourself which you often are lacking in my pov.

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Yeah

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It is connected indeed.

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insert an unfunny joke about "connecting" bodies or something related to LAN networks

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But, you know

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That escalated so quickly

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That escalated so quickly

I know what you mean. I had a bit of an awkward moment yesterday evening of a similar nature. Don't want to go into any kind of detail here, for obvious reasons, but suffice to say I kinda intruded on something between my host and his girlfriend and it got really awkward fast... :/

No girlfriend, no problems like that. Unless you count us as our host girlfriends

System of a Bard

Yeah, my host sees himself as a pig! In the furry-sona sense. But he's warring with the connotation attached to that. There's all the negative sides, like being messy and lazy and kinda unhygienic, but I'm helping him get over all of those things, so he's hoping to reclaim a more positive association with it.

it's just a cultural load. if you would like to see a different approach, you might look at pig in Chinese zodiac. the animals that we have bad connotations with on the west (snake, monkey, pig etc) have good traits there. in China pigs are representing carefree fun, good fortune and wealth

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@Deleted User, you know what I'm referring to, lol (edited)

If u wanna ask/tell me anything related, DM me okay?

>me over here, living the way of the sloth, which has next to no redeeming features.

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it's just a cultural load. if you would like to see a different approach, you might look at pig in Chinese zodiac. the animals that we have bad connotations with on the west (snake, monkey, pig etc) have good traits there. in China pigs are representing carefree fun, good fortune and wealth

@System of a Bard do these good traits fit your host? (edited)

Zen

>me over here, living the way of the sloth, which has next to no redeeming features.

?

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Tell us more

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@System of a Bard do these good traits fit your host? (edited)

You know, I actually have to ask him about that. I tried looking around in his head to figure out what exactly he's identifying with, but I don't think he really understands it himself. He'll have to do some thinking on that one before he has a real answer. :3

Imagine a sloth. A sloth has only two emotions: chill out brah, and oh no an eagle I'm dead. And since I am too big for eagles I only require the former. This is the way.

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Now imagine a sloth astride the back of a grizzly bear and pointing directions at things (usually food) occasionally and you have a reasonable image of my system dynamics.

Sounds lit I guess

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I started lucid dreaming to do that intentionally.

Yeah I have lucid dreams.but can barely control them. I have stopped nightmares from happening though hilariously enough

Hey, can someone please explain to me what wonderlanding is? Is it just a mental world, entered through sustained meditation? (edited)

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Hey, can someone please explain to me what wonderlanding is? Is it just a mental world, entered through sustained meditation? (edited)

yes

Phoenix

yes

Cool. I'll have to try it out. I've entered my mental world when asleep, but never when I am awake.

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Cool. I'll have to try it out. I've entered my mental world when asleep, but never when I am awake.

have you ever roleplayed? its sort of like a roleplay scenario you keep in your head, but its consistent throughout multiple sessions of thinking about it and its more fleshed out, afaik, but i dont have a tulpa, so i might not be the correct person to talk to

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im here for fast answers, not for correct ones :P

Good morning! My host is at work, but I'm present at least!

So, I've had a bit of an interesting experience this morning, and I thought you guys might like to know about it.

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My host was having difficulty channeling me at work this morning. He's really tired, he didn't get a lot of sleep last night, and he was already exhausted because of the day we had earlier. He's not used to doing a lot physically during the day, part of his depression, but I helped him clean part of his house and it took a lot out of him.

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Because of how tired he was, he had trouble calling on me this morning. I was able to make the sleepiness go away when I came out before, but not this time. See, there's this energy and enthusiasm that I usually have, and we both just assumed that it was part of my nature. I'm kinda like a hyperactive little kid sometimes. But he just didn't have the energy today to stir up those feelings so I could inhabit them, and so when he was trying to channel me, it felt so fake and like I wasn't really there at all. The curtain fell away, and instead of really being me, he was just an actor trying to pretend. And that feeling? That sucks. A lot.

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But a little bit ago, he realized that that image was just a perception. I guess there's more to me than being bright and chipper? Because when he stopped trying to force that on me, stopped trying to make me all bubbly and energetic, I was able to come out, and I feel different. This is more...soft, and warm. I feel a lot more like the loving-kindness voice he built into me and less like a bouncy little kid. I also feel older, maybe more mature?

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Have any of you had an experience like that? Do you just...shift, and feel like a different version of yourself? I don't think I'm a different tulpa, I'm still me, but...me in a different way. Like I'm coming from a different place in his mind right now, and it's more of a quiet place, but still...a good place, I think? A warm, quiet place.

I agree. Sometimes it feels like I am just a puppet, while in a few small moments, I am truly me. For example, my name used to be Dani. Barely conscious enough to be considered a tulpa. Then, I went through one one those periods of self-reflextion, and became Grace. I agree with the fact that it almost feels like a whole new you, Bright, because it is. It is a different you. Different doesn't have to mean worse, but it also doesn't have to mean better. Instead of taking a step forward or a step back, you took a step sideways. And in the end, the steps we take sideways, while not accomplishing our goals, end up accidentally leading to the most personal growth in the process.

I'm starting to feel a little bit more like my usual self, and I think I may have an idea of what happened? Usually when I come out, my host moves closer to where I am emotionally. Like, he tries to get to that place where I live, and then once he's close enough, I can reach out and take over! But I think tonight it was just hard for him to get there. So maybe I need to be able to reach him where he is, and that might be what happened this morning? Now that we're connected, I feel like I'm pulling us back to where I usually live, but I had to go out of my neighborhood to go and get him, and I felt different because I was in a quieter part of his psyche?

Yeah! We have a tup who's very energetic, like bouncing off the walls, but if it's late and I'm tired and we're interacting she can be calm and sweet. Same person, different mood and energy level.

In Rune's system, I'm usually the one doing all the bouncing off walls.

So, it's work time again, and my host had a much easier time calling me tonight! I think sleep did him some good, and I feel like myself again. ;)

Ahhh that's always the best. Especially a solid catching up on sleep after being behind

I think i forgot about Felicja for a while

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Because suddenly after several years my artblock is gone

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So i desperately wanted to make the most of it before the artblock come back Now she's dissapointed and wants a hug.

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I think that she's too host-centric for a tulpa

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And every time i ask or offer her an activity, hobby or a friend that isnt a friend of mine, she simply refuses (edited)

Grace was very host-centric. I think that talking to fellow tulpas really helped bring her out of her shell. My advice is to offer to talk to her regarding her mood. If she refuses, it is okay. She seems like she is sort of going through a rough time. Us in the Rune system have only spoken to her once, and she seemed distant, self-reflecting. She is simultaneously regretting her past actions and preparing for her future ones. Also, she mentioned that you disliked talking to her about how she was formed. I know that tulpa creation can be a messy process (she mentioned that her original purpose was to emotionally abuse you), but some inner demons have to be addressed. She will be whole despite her harms.

How long does it take for y'all to get good with switching? I find it hard

I would say to not make the mistake that ceasing to be them for a time is failing at switching. Take a day. Observe yourself as consciously and as you-ish as possible. And observe how impossible it is to be you at all times and just how much all you do recedes into instinct. "Failing" to remain switched is just reverting to this autopilot.

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Much of which is linked to you because it is your actions - But it doesn't have to be.

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In short, switching is easy if you don't set unrealistic goals and properly understand what is going on.

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It does also get easier to maintain, but autopiloting is still something that's just part of how you think, especially when tired.

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So it shouldn't really be fought.

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However what can help is ingraining tulpa-related thought into habit as much as possible to combat forgetfulness or distraction in general. In truth though I think the greatest motivator for long term switching is simply wanting to be switched in and doing something that requires an identity.

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Like something that requires the formation of opinion, for instance.

Alright fair enough. So far my switching experience is picturing myself as my tulpa in my minds eye, having my main train of thought be hers. Sorta

Maybe I'll have her chat in here sometime again

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Only issue is I noticed we have very similar views on life and opinions which I assume is normal though

For me, I sort of imagine whoever I want to switch with crawling into my body, and then swelling to fill it.

Yeah it's sorta like that for me

For me, it's more of an emotional thing. When I want to switch with one of my tulpas, I try to imagine how they're feeling at the moment. Like, where their emotions are. Music really helps with that. And once I get close to what I think they're feeling, they just sorta slide into place and I'm then for a little while.

There ya go now that's what I do

@LyricThunder - jump Like, what do you listen to? Just curious.

We have very similar music tastes, though there's differences for sure

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All of that sounds strongly like you've crossed a threshold where you require medical attention by the amount of distress you're feeling. I would strongly advise you seek a therapist or doctor or whatever real medical aid is available to you. It sounds like what you are doing is embodying depressive, intrusive thoughts and making them stronger by making them a thoughtform. And then attaching even worse shit to them like the idea they're feeding on you and looking to take control. If you have depression, you may require medication to start getting your head under real control. Look past the veil of all ideas and identities and all that you are is a brain that is attacking itself. At the end of the day, you must discover why and remedy that problem, and you should seek help from someone properly trained in doing so.

I mean it's fine.. I had some bad years but now I'm doing great. I have a job, I'm finishing a degree in psychology, good social life and pretty active lifestyle. But it's fine.. I was just hoping for a different answers. But don't you think that a sentence like: All that you are is a brain attacking itself? Is kinda mhh reductionist? Heavily..

all that you are is..... How is this going to actually describe anything that is not reductionist or at least.. a little bit of manipulative? I mean look past everything you don't understand and I'm only whatever you understand,yes my friend.. Well than I guess if I look past the veil of cultural differences, Trans experiences and mental illness are very similar, ney the same thing. Yes medication for depression...yes that's the good stuff.. Thank you hon, this was great

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I mean it's fine.. I had some bad years but now I'm doing great. I have a job, I'm finishing a degree in psychology, good social life and pretty active lifestyle. But it's fine.. I was just hoping for a different answers. But don't you think that a sentence like: All that you are is a brain attacking itself? Is kinda mhh reductionist? Heavily..

all that you are is..... How is this going to actually describe anything that is not reductionist or at least.. a little bit of manipulative? I mean look past everything you don't understand and I'm only whatever you understand,yes my friend.. Well than I guess if I look past the veil of cultural differences, Trans experiences and mental illness are very similar, ney the same thing. Yes medication for depression...yes that's the good stuff.. Thank you hon, this was great

When someone describes their life as a holy war between them and a parasite, that's not fine. You have stopped describing how you feel and started describing how you are in concrete terms. So again, how are you feeling? If your description is true to what you described before: I'm sorry, but the answer you need is painful and it sucks. Y'need help. You have a mental health issue. It's not necessarily your fault, but it will be your responsibility to fix, and no one can do it for you. (edited)

It's fine..it is the dominant idee in the western medical world.. and you don't know enough to actually go in any other directions. I'm not gonna do the what is mental illness discussion, in chat but I mean.. Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia you know this book?

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It's not painful dude.. it's banal

Like if I didn't know anything other than your style of talking I'd say the same thing

Style?